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Silk [You Agree With Me]Apr 10, 2006 2:07:19 pm
Jesus asked, "Why do you wash the outside of the cup? Do you not realize that he who made the inside is the same one who made the outside?"

Mary replied, "When I ever see you get off your ass and actually do some dishes around here, I'll answer that question."
GryxApr 10, 2006 2:11:00 pm
you're going to hell...
Silk [You Agree With Me]Apr 10, 2006 2:12:21 pm [NT]
Midas [No, the other one]Apr 10, 2006 2:13:29 pm [NT]
Silk [You Agree With Me]Apr 10, 2006 2:17:46 pm
And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
GryxApr 10, 2006 2:19:45 pm
is the concept of Trinity. I simply don't get it. Its origins, and most importantly its purpose. It simply makes no sense to me.
Ned FlandersApr 10, 2006 2:21:11 pm [NT]
Llotnarf [bun-length]Apr 10, 2006 2:40:10 pm
think of your mind

if you understand your mind you will realize that it is made up of different functional parts. a thought cannot exist but in response to something. in the human mind, thoughts are generated by friction or you could say by a sort of "dialogue" between different parts. a thought is either a question rising from stimulus (internal or external) or it is an answer to a question posed by another thinking entity (internal or external).

we've heard of the id, ego, and superego. whether or not these are completely accurate description of the mind's anatomy is besides the point, though. it is clear that there are different competing parts in our mind, and that is what makes up the character of our mind. if an individual component of the mind was completely self-sufficient, there would be no need for the other parts. yet there are other parts, and they are necessary to the functioning of the whole.

the way i understand the concept of the trinity is very much how i understand the human mind. you may use the word "i" or "me" to designate the "self" as a whole. yes, the self can be sub-divided into parts, but none of these parts can represent the whole. the holy trinity--the father, the son, and the holy ghost--are parts of a whole. jesus isnt the whole of god. the father isnt the whole of god. the holy spirit isnt the whole of god. yet they are all god. they are different functional aspects of the whole.

the holy spirit is the most mysterious of the components because it is the one part that has not been personified for us. it exists as some necessary counterpoint to the father and son, but it isnt clear exactly what it is. i like the idea that the holy ghost is the mother (and mary is sort of a surrogate). there was a lot of misogyny in biblical times, and perhaps the idea of a holy mother wasn't popular, so they made her into a "ghost" or "spirit" instead. you need some sort of mother figure as part of the godhead, because a "father" cannot create by itself. nor can a mother. they are necessary counterpoints in the creation of things. and the son is obviously the product and union of these two components, yet not sufficient on its own (a son must be created--it cannot create itself--therefore, jesus cannot be seen as a "whole" god). this little system is open-ended (to continue, where is the "son's" wife and child? they are not part of the god-head, clearly, yet conceptually they must exist in some form. i believe any godhead must be open-ended. if it were truly self-contained, then whence reality?)
Soth [Muninn and Myrddin]Apr 10, 2006 2:53:48 pm [NT]
Llotnarf [bun-length]Apr 10, 2006 2:56:23 pm
paganism breaks the god-head up into different functional components, but mirrors the earth as a whole more than humanity specifically.

the concept of "god" in paganism is profoundly different than the concept of "god" in christianity, though. i believe the concept of god in christianity is that it reflects the need to explain the existence of humanity primarily, and the earth and the rest of creation secondarily. i think in paganism it is the opposite.
syr - excels in excellenceApr 10, 2006 3:00:22 pm [NT]

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